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Saturday, October 12, 2013

Canadians at a disadvantage when trading US markets

Well, the fact that our brokers selection is so limited plus the abominable trading fees we pay up here are disadvantages by themselves. But when trading US stocks or investing, more disadvantages become clear.

I recently started investing with a focus on dividend growth paying stocks and this week I wanted to add four new positions in solid companies, with solid track records of decades of dividend growth and payments. I wanted to invest in McDonalds (MCD), Chevron (CVX), Exxon Mobile (XOM) and Coca Cola (KO). I liked the prices of them all. All of them trading around support. All of them below their 200 moving average etc. I simply loved what I thought were good opportunities. Even though my focus on this account is the dividends, I don't want to have bad entries in overpriced instruments.

First problem, I didn't have US dollars in my Questrade account at that point. I talked to support, and they can exchange some of your CADs for USDs so you can purchase USD listed stocks, but there will be a 2% fee!!! Really?????? Not only that! They see that as borrowed money, that you eventually have to give back to them, and in the mean time they charge a daily fee as interest for the money they are lending you!! Isn't that pretty? That's a big NO - NO. Specially if you are investing for the long term.

So, that's definitely a big problem for Canadian investors and traders, the different currencies.

I had some USD funds in my savings account at TD and had a Draft order sent to Questrade on Monday. That way there won't be any currency conversion fees, or interests or anything like that. Unfortunately, the draft is not at Questrade yet, and all 4 companies I wanted to invest in are more expensive now after the rally of the last two days. So, due to this problem, Canadians face greater chances of missing opportunities with all these nuisance and absurd delays. If I want to trade stocks listed in the Toronto Stock Exchange I can move Canadian money from my TD account to Questrade online and it only takes one day. But that is not allowed for USD Funds (Unless you send them a photocopy of a cheque from your USD bank account in advance) The problem is that at least TD doesn't print out USD cheques with your name and address on them, which is the only way Questrade would accept them. Agggrrrrrr!!!!! With Royal Bank I can't even have US dollar accounts because I am still a Cuban citizen, one of the evil countries of the world and they say, they are not allowed due to legal regulations. Funny because TD has no problem with that. Maybe they are subject to different regulations?!??! I don't know, I probably don't even want to know. All I know is I had to leave Royal Bank for this reason and take my business somewhere else.

If an American wanted to invest in US companies they wouldn't go through so much hassle. It can be argued that they would have the same problem if they wanted to invest in Canadian companies but not really, because the most important Canadian companies are also listed in US stock exchanges (Bank of Nova Scotia (BNS), the Potash Corp of Saskatchewan (POT) , Rogers Communications (RCI), TD, Royal Bank etc).

Second problem is, your dividends from American companies are subject to withholding taxes, even if you are investing in a Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA) Aggggrrrr!!!!! Obviously, Americans receiving dividends from Canadian companies are probably subject to some taxes a well, but the point is,...they don't need to! The US markets are so huge that they don't need to be invested in Canadian markets, period. I am of the opinion that we, however, should have exposure to some American companies.

But enough with the complaints. Complaints won't take us anywhere. What to do? How to solve this situation?

Well, one possible solution is if Canada adopted USD as its official currency. Lol. That's not going to happen. Another solution is to go down to the US with a T1 visa and have income down there in US dollars. But the less drastic one, and perhaps the only one I can do now is wait for a better exchange rate and convert as many CADs as you can into USDs. If we ever getback to parity, or with a Canadian Dollar stronger that the US dollar, I will see myself changing as much as I can. TD offers a special rate where they charge you 1.5 cent above the actual current rate. Let's say for example the USD and the CAD go back to parity 1.0000, at some point and you want 10000 USD. TD will ask you for 10150 CAD for that. That is they will offer you a 1.0150 rate (1.50 cents above parity). You can go to Western Union and they will probably offer a 5% penalty hehe, plus a commission fee for the transaction. Or you can use Questrade and their 2% fee plus their ongoing interest. By the way in order to get the "preferential" 1.5 cent penalty with TD you need to have an All inclusive banking package (which requires you to keep a minimum balance of 5000 Canadian dollars in your chequing account.) otherwise the penalty is 2.5 cents.

Once you do that and accumulate the USDs during the good times, don't wait! Send the draft in advance to Questrade. Not because you want to trade or invest immediately, but simply because you want to avoid absurd delays the moment you need to. And if we never get back to parity,.........well,...........you have to do what you have to do I guess,....suck it up!!

By the way I opened two new positions in Canadian companies on Thursday:

Emera Inc (EMA): 51 shares at $29.35 with a 4.77% yearly dividend on cost.
TransCanada (TRP): 33 shares at $44.64 with a 4.12% yearly dividend on cost.

There are now 6 positions in my dividend income portfolio. All of them in Canadian Companies. Expected passive income from dividends next year $389.24.

Grab the bull, and grab it by the horns!



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5 comments:

  1. I invest in US companies exclusively. I use Interactive Brokers, though, so I have no such issues as you describe. In addition, my USD holdings are hedged against FX risk via futures contracts.

    I do an FX conversion which costs $2.50 per 1 lot (1 lot = $25k).
    Then, I buy a CAD/USD futures contract for which I pay $0.30, and I roll it over 4 times a year at contract expiration (that's a total cost of $2.50 + $1.20 = $3.70 for $25k USD).

    Having said all this, IB has no TFSA or RRSPs...so I guess in your case this may not work. However, with the USD/CAD being inversely correlated for US stock index movements, any increase in your USD account may be offset by FX changes in USD/CAD...so you would be getting no where... What are your thoughts?

    Also...2%??? holly sh*t...and a daily fee (interest) for holding USD in your account??? Why even let people trade US companies then... Canada sucks for investing (I am a Canadian too)... unless you like mining company penny stocks... or our 1 tech stock (RIMM), which is the new generation's replacement for Nortel...I wonder what the next Nortel will be ;-P

    Would love to hear your thoughts on the above

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  2. Wow this is one of the most informative and helpful comments ever written on this blog. Thanks a lot for taking the time to write it up. The idea of hedging you currency exposure is indeed very interesting, and it is something I thought wouldnt be possible due to transactions costs but definitely, you have provided me with a very viable alternative. What can I say? I read your comment and now I'm totally confident I need to have some funds with Interactive Brokers. Again thanks a lot for dropping by!

    Best,
    LT

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  3. Hi,

    I’m John from Questrade, and I’d be happy to address some of these questions.

    There are multiple ways to fund your Questrade account with USD. You mentioned that you attempted to set up a pre-authorized deposit, but were unable to obtain a USD cheque with your name pre-printed on it from TD bank. As an alternative, you can provide us with a direct deposit form of your TD USD account with the TD bank stamp on it to verify authenticity. For more information on our funding methods, please visit our website: http://www.questrade.com/account/fund

    If you choose to convert your CAD over to USD, there is no daily interest charged. Daily interest is only charged when you borrow funds from Questrade and your cash balance becomes negative. Here’s more information on our interest rates: http://www.questrade.com/pricing/interest_rates

    Let me know if you have any other questions.

    John – TeamQuestrade,
    Questrade, Inc.

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  4. Hi John,

    This is a totally unexpected comment on this post from Questrade itself. And before I start, let me emphasize that it is really appreciated.

    You mention the different ways to send USDs to Questrade. Thanks for that. They are pretty clearly listed on your website. But are they immediate? Can they be processed in a day? or two? That's my point when I say that Canadians are at a disadvantage when trading US companies. It is not really a post against Questrade, but the inconvenience of Canadian investors when having to deal with different currencies, and face conversion fees and delays.

    As for the CAD - USD conversion issue from Questrade. I clearly remember the support agent telling me about the daily interest for holding USD's provided by Questrade. He actually went beyond that and reassured me that therefore the best way is for me to bring my own USD. I dont recall reading about the fact that the interest would only be charged if/when my cash balance becomes negative. But it is possible that I missed that, perhaps it was said during the conversation and somehow I missed it or misunderstood it. Thanks for the clarification.

    Once again thanks for stopping by and leaving some valuable feedback.

    Regards,
    LT

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  5. Hi LT,

    just read this. How did it all work out? Are you with IB now or still with Questrade?

    I'm Swiss and we have similar problems over here. Comissions are extremely high and people don't even complain.. The only way to go was Interactive Brokers haha.

    Regards,
    boersianer

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